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I suppose, given the disparate claims and portrayals of what a tulpa is, there could also be different mechanisms at play depending on the person.

have fun

Thank you.

12:54 AM

I do hope to discuss, later, if you are still awake.

I agree with that winter

Indeed. I hope you do have fun.

I may still be, I go to bed at around 11 my time

12:54 AM

so... three hours?

I see. Midnight my time, then.

12:55 AM

I hope to see you soon.

well, my avatar

12:55 AM

if you're seeing me than you need to get the heck off my lawn (edited)

Careful. She could be astral projecting.

I have had people say they wanted to astral project and fuck me up

12:56 AM

I welcome them to try, and hope they have success

12:56 AM

so long as it's obvious that the source is a spooky ghost tulpa or host rather than sudden heart attacks

Hello, @Reguile.

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Now that I have more time, would you mind explaining the bundles more clearly?

I'm not quite sure how to explain it

I see.

The bundle itself doesn't exist, but refers to a collection of things that we call one thing

2:37 AM

so a tulpa is not a single thing, but a large collection of behavior and habit and so on

2:37 AM

stuff that we don't control, stuff that we have set in place through forcing

2:37 AM

and through all of those little parts existing, the big picture, the feeling of speaking to someone else, starts to emerge

2:37 AM

that's the "bundle"

2:37 AM

does that make any sense at all?

Slightly.

2:38 AM

I do think that is the case for everyone, if I am understanding, properly.

what do you mean that it's the case for everyone?

I do think that everyone is made up of small little things that make them, well, them.

I agree with you, but I'm thinking more of the sort of things that don't contribute to personality, like when a person associates their tulpa speaking with the top right of their head or something of that sort. (edited)

I do not think I do those things.

that among others. I have gotten the imperssion that you tulpa tulpamancy is focued around having identities and changing between them?

I cannot parse that question.

At some point in your head there has to be something that differentiates "Harleen is talking" and "other is talking"

Yes.

for some it might be that top-right head association, for others it may be something else, for others it may be a combination of factors, and so on and so forth, are my thoughts. (edited)

2:46 AM

and I think tulpamancy is an advanced application of that

I suppose to me it is deciding to be that person at any given moment.

2:50 AM

Though, this is a conscious thing that we do.

What would define conscious vs unconscious here?

2:51 AM

in terms of deciding if you are a certain person

I consciously think about it.

Well, every person has both a conscious and an unconscious.

I take a moment, pause, and consider it.

in order to switch?

2:53 AM

do you speak back and forth between other tulpa and you and your host?

Yes, and it requires constant switching of states, which is conscious.

2:54 AM

It makes speaking back and forth rather awkward, really.

That's pretty interesting. Do you have to "accomplish" something when you swap like that?

What do you mean?

Would you find it difficult to swap at some points, or does it take effort to swap?

No. It is not difficult.

3:02 AM

That is why I do think tulpas are context personalities. I simply decide that the context is being "Harleen" or "Angel", so to speak, directly, I must decide this, speak, decide to be the other, speak and so on.

Okay, that's not normal. (edited)

3:03 AM

I decide when I speak and she decides when she speaks.

Excuse me?

3:03 AM

Is it abnormal or not?

There is no shared will.

The extra not is confusing me.

I am assuming the extra not is accidental. I don't believe it's normal either.

They were saying "not with extra emphasis", I think

I see.

fixed

That makes more sense.

3:05 AM

I do think it is the same, except I need to decide it.

No, my typing is terrible

You do feel genuinely as different people when you do this switching, I assume?

We feel different than the others, we behave differently, and think and speak differently, so yes.

Have you considered trying to build up some sort of "subconscious choice" and seeing if you could get the changing back and forth to happen without your decision, or is that a control of something you'd rather not give up?

It is not something that bothers me.

3:09 AM

There is no need to change it.

That's fair. I had been putting a lot of weight in tulpamancy behind the idea that it was rooted in the fact that it had a lot of "subconscious" and 'unconscious' things going on that made the experience as something beyond the control of the person experiencing it.

3:12 AM

It's super abnormal to see someone doing away with that part, which makes me want to rethink a little bit.

I see. I do think that is why it was hard for me to understand what you meant at first, as well.

I feel like you might be working with a "subset" of tulpamancy, if that makes sense?

Or a superset.

No. Explain further, please.

It impacts on soulbonding

Like, a person makes a tulpa with the explicit goal of making identities that "happen without effort". You seem to have thrown away the "without effort" parts and kept the "identities" part?

I suppose, I would be afraid to not have this control. Since I had a series of psychotic breaks, I do my best to stay grounded in reality, thinking on it, for a minute.

I agree with that 100%, especially if you've had issues in the past with mental health

3:16 AM

don't want you to go all koomer on us

Well, we have already ridden ourselves of that pesky host.

maybe you have already gone koomer on us

3:16 AM

someone get the tulpa handcuffs

Koomer never left.

and the imaginary weapons

Aha.

3:17 AM

Though, this was the way we began.

with imaginary weapons and handcuffs?

Before the psychosis.

3:17 AM

Reguile.

Harleen

3:18 AM

Sorry, I may be joking when I shouldn't

It is fine, aha.

3:18 AM

But, yes, when it was only my host and I, we still functioned in this way.

3:19 AM

Of course my host found out how to create a tulpa from the irc, and we left for around three years.

3:19 AM

We would have no idea that this was abnormal.